Bill who putters wrote: > "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports >that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and >strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, >should be abandoned."
"The need for aspirin is possibly obviated even for secondary prevention in diabetics when the VAT is lost:"
And the first step is to enter into an exercise program to that end. Exercise has been shown to selectively and before calorie restriction has a significant effect to reduce vat.
Once in place, what one eats along with maintaining normal weight and the exercise will have continuing benefit.
On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> wrote:
> Bill who putters wrote: > > "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >should be abandoned."
I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side effects.
On 03 Nov 2009 18:29:26 GMT, ver...@gefinden.com wrote:
> "The need for aspirin is possibly obviated even for secondary > prevention in diabetics when the VAT is lost:"
> And the first step is to enter into an exercise program to that end. > Exercise has been shown to selectively and before calorie restriction > has a significant effect to reduce vat.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> > wrote: >> Bill who putters wrote: >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, >>>should be abandoned."
> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > without the risk of side effects.
Since you seem to support Chung's 2 pound diet, do you have any citations from the recognised medical literature and not simply what Chung has written?
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > > On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> > > wrote: > >> Bill who putters wrote: > >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >>>should be abandoned."
> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > > without the risk of side effects.
> Citations?
> Thanks.
Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, many in pubmed.
PeterB - Original wrote: > MU wrote: > > PeterB - Original wrote: > > >> Bill who putters wrote:
> > >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > > >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > > >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > > >>>should be abandoned."
> > > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > > > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > > > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > > > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > > > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > > > without the risk of side effects.
> > Citations?
> > Thanks.
> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > many in pubmed.
Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: >>> On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> >>> wrote: >>>> Bill who putters wrote: >>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports >>>>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and >>>>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, >>>>>should be abandoned."
>>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of >>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free >>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of >>> MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and >>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events >>> without the risk of side effects.
>> Citations?
>> Thanks.
> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > many in pubmed.
What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine? I search for "aspirin resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side effects." too?
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:08 -0800 (PST), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > PeterB - Original wrote: >> MU wrote: >>> PeterB - Original wrote: >>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
>>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports >>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and >>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, >>> >>>should be abandoned."
>>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of >>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free >>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of >>> > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and >>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events >>> > without the risk of side effects.
>>> Citations?
>>> Thanks.
>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, >> many in pubmed.
> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s. intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
Wrong! Aspirin resistance is not responsive to more aspirin. Increasing dosage in those individuals will only increase their risk of a fatal event. The fact that one cannot know that one is aspirin resistant amplifies the risk because there may be no apparent symptoms. Please note that I am not the poster who uses "Peter B.- Aboriginal" as his screen name.
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:08 -0800 (PST), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > PeterB - Original wrote: > >> MU wrote: > >>> PeterB - Original wrote: > >>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
> >>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >>> >>>should be abandoned."
> >>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > >>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > >>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > >>> > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > >>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > >>> > without the risk of side effects.
> >>> Citations?
> >>> Thanks.
> >> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > >> many in pubmed.
> > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
> I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s. > intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
I referred you to the medical literature in response to your query because the subject is widely discussed there. Sorry I couldn't make it easier for you.
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > > On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > >>> On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Bill who putters wrote: > >>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >>>>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >>>>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >>>>>should be abandoned."
> >>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > >>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > >>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > >>> MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > >>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > >>> without the risk of side effects.
> >> Citations?
> >> Thanks.
> > Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > > many in pubmed.
> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine?
Since I gave you the word string to use, that wouldn't be a logical question, now would it?
> I search for > "aspirin resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 > EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically > lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side > effects." too?
The entirety of your query to me was the word "citations" with a question mark. I suppose you expected me to read your mind in order to know exactly which part of my comment you wanted a citation for? Hint: you may need to do more than one search.
> > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
> Wrong!
You have been and continue to be wrong:
"Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11- dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg, P=0.003)."
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:41:04 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > On Nov 9, 11:17 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:08 -0800 (PST), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: >>> PeterB - Original wrote: >>>> MU wrote: >>>>> PeterB - Original wrote: >>>>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
>>>>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports >>>>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and >>>>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, >>>>> >>>should be abandoned."
>>>>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of >>>>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free >>>>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of >>>>> > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and >>>>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events >>>>> > without the risk of side effects.
>>>>> Citations?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, >>>> many in pubmed.
>>> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less >>> to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>> I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s. >> intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
> I referred you to the medical literature in response to your query > because the subject is widely discussed there. Sorry I couldn't make > it easier for you.
You didn't "refer me" to anything specific. You pointed at a library and said "go there, seek to prove me right".
Get a grip, you haven't the first line of credibility regarding control studies and the validity of their ensuing citations.
On Nov 4, 8:12 am, MoSn <mosn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:06:59 -0600, MU wrote
> > Citations?
> > Thanks.
> Since you seem to support Chung's 2 pound diet, do you have any citations > from the recognised medical literature and not simply what Chung has written?
> Thanks.
The only one that supports Chung's 2 pound (?) diet is Chung as far as I know. I dimly recall it being called the 2 omer diet by Chung. The fixed weight intake diet is pretty silly. Compare a high veggie diet to a higher fat diet and you can get wildly different calorie counts.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly reveal that you do not know very much. Such is the condition of the perishing because GOD remains the Source of all true knowledge and wisdom.
There are presently worldwide more than 625,550 people who either have achieved or are achieving optimal health using the 2PD-OMER Approach, whose written description and application has been allowed by the moderators for posting on the New England Journal of Medicine web site thereby providing additional evidence of others supporting this simple method of eating the right amount of food daily:
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar with the inventor's posts.
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:08 -0800 (PST), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > PeterB - Original wrote: > >> MU wrote: > >>> PeterB - Original wrote: > >>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
> >>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >>> >>>should be abandoned."
> >>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > >>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > >>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > >>> > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > >>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > >>> > without the risk of side effects.
> >>> Citations?
> >>> Thanks.
> >> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > >> many in pubmed.
> > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
> I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s. > intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
Thru the wonders of the internet I bring you this unchecked bit of info.
For some people, aspirin does not have as strong an effect on platelets as for others, an effect known as aspirin resistance or insensitivity. One study has suggested that women are more likely to be resistant than men[107] and a different, aggregate study of 2,930 patients found 28% to be resistant.[108] A study in 100 Italian patients found that of the apparent 31% aspirin resistant subjects, only 5% were truly resistant, and the others were non-compliant.[109]
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > > On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote: > >>> On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Bill who putters wrote: > >>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports > >>>>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and > >>>>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease, > >>>>>should be abandoned."
> >>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of > >>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free > >>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of > >>> MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and > >>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events > >>> without the risk of side effects.
> >> Citations?
> >> Thanks.
> > Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles, > > many in pubmed.
> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine? I search for "aspirin > resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin > C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal > cardiac events without the risk of side effects." too?
> lol
> Pass.
You say "Run the marathon for me and I'll take prize." To convince yourself, you'll have to the work/the reading.
4 cups of coffee and 8 oz of wine..............Trig
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