Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have >> > a bone sticking through your nose?
>> Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
> Low? What is low about African culture?
Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and *you know it*.
-- Jesse F. Hughes
"My name is Apusta Malusta Cadeau and I fight bad guys. And I'm a knight." -- A. M. Cadeau (nee Quincy P. Hughes), age 4
>> My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular >> and widely acclaimed.
> I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book[1] is > "The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your > Mumps Applications Run Faster."
MUMPS is obsolescent, MUMPS programs looking like something Musatov would post in his spare moments. I expect Charlie has rewrote his book using F#. About the marvel that is MUMPS see e.g.
> On Nov 2, 9:33 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 2, 4:43 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> > > > Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have > > > > > a bone sticking through your nose?
> > Unfortunately for your argument Papua New Guinea is not in Africa.
> That's where the picture was taken, but that doesn't say the guy isn't > from Africa.
The caption says "Highlands man ..." referring to the highlands of Papua New Guinea. But perhaps he lived in Africa in a previous life.
> I run circles around you guys (and gals if any) logically.
LOL. Indeed, the fact that you can question whether a picture of a resident of Papua New Guinea might have come from Africa completely validates your approach of making fun of zuhair's name. That is logic for you; never know where it's going to lead.
On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> > All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing > > nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a > > bitch.
Shared psychotic disorder, a rare and atypical psychotic disorder, occurs when an otherwise healthy person (secondary partner) begins believing the delusions of someone with whom they have a close relationship (primary partner)
EXAMPLE: PROFESSOR/PUPIL
who is already suffering from a psychotic disorder with prominent delusions. This disorder is also referred to as "folie á deux."
Description
In cases of shared psychotic disorder, the primary partner is most often in a position of strong influence over the other person.
TEACHER OVER STUDENT
This allows them, over time, to erode the defenses of the secondary partner, forcing their strange belief upon them.
STRANGE BELIEF: A SYSTEM FORMALLY GENERATES THEOREMS BUT THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES OF ANY THEOREMS THAT IT GENERATES
In the beginning, the secondary partner is probably healthy, but has such a passive or dependent relationship with the primary partner
STUDENT HAS TO LEARN WHAT THE PROFESSOR TEACHES
that imposition of the delusional system is but a matter of time. Most of the time, this disorder occurs in a nuclear family. In fact, more than 95% of the cases reported involved people in the same family.
ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAME UNIVERSITY
Without regard to the number of persons within the family, shared delusions generally involve two people. There is the primary, most often the dominant person,
PROFESSOR
and the secondary or submissive person
STUDENT
. This becomes fertile ground for the primary (dominant) partner to press for understanding and belief by others in the family.
EXAMPLE: A DISPLAY OF A PRINTOUT OF THEOREMS FROM A COMPUTER PROGRAM HAS TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS
Shared psychotic disorder has also been referred to by other names such as psychosis of association, contagious insanity, infectious insanity, double insanity, and communicated insanity.
NOTICE THAT ALL CONTAIN THE WORD "INSANITY"
There have been cases involving multiple persons, the most significant being a case involving an entire family of 12 people (folie á douze).
> Footnotes: > [1] Correct me if I'm wrong. You keep referring to it as your first > book, so surely there's a second book?
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes > -- A lesson in meta-honesty -- > Baba: Thanks for being honest. > Quincy (age 7): I won't be honest next time. And that's more honesty.
On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> >> > All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing > >> > nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a > >> > bitch.
> >> Well put.
> > Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of > > Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
> No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have > >> > a bone sticking through your nose?
> >> Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
> > Low? What is low about African culture?
> Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and > *you know it*.
A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in fact the names often begin with ZU.
> >> My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular > >> and widely acclaimed.
> > I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book [1] is
> > "The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your > > Mumps Applications Run Faster."
> MUMPS is obsolescent, MUMPS programs looking like something Musatov
I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an area) based on the programming language they use.
> On Nov 2, 7:30 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 9:33 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 4:43 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> > > > > Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have > > > > > > a bone sticking through your nose?
> > I run circles around you guys (and gals if any) logically.
> LOL. Indeed, the fact that you can question whether a picture > of a resident of Papua New Guinea might have come from > Africa completely validates your approach of making fun > of zuhair's name. That is logic for you; never know where > it's going to lead.
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 2, 1:15 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular >> > and widely acclaimed.
> > I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book[1] > is >> "The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your >> Mumps Applications Run Faster."
> > Rather less impressive sounding, ain't it?
> To those stupid enough to judge a book by its title.
Evidently you judge a book by its title, too. Otherwise, why would you pretend that it had a different title?
-- Jesse F. Hughes "Mistakes are big part of the discovery process. I make lots of them. Kind of pride myself on it." -- James S. Harris
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>> >> > All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing >> >> > nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a >> >> > bitch.
>> >> Well put.
>> > Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of >> > Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
> > No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
There was *no* argument and hence no ad hominem. The fact is that you're a disgusting son of a bitch and it ain't a fallacy to say so.
Anyway, there's no point in continuing this silly aside. You're simply distracting from the plain fact that your comment to Zuhair was vile and racist (though not, far as I can tell, directed against Zuhair's actual ethnic heritage so much as one you made up). What you said was shameful and you haven't the good sense to apologize.
-- "...you are around so that I have something else to do when I'm not figuring something important out. I was especially intrigued on this iteration by cursing, which I think I'll continue at some later date as it's so amusing." --- James S. Harris
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have >> >> > a bone sticking through your nose?
>> >> Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
>> > Low? What is low about African culture?
>> Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and >> *you know it*.
> A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
> YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in > fact the names often begin with ZU.
Your comment about a bone through the nose was meant to be a disparaging comment. You really aren't fooling anyone.
Anyway, I made my point and there's no reason to continue this discussion.
-- Jesse F. Hughes "Run mathematicians, RUN!!! I'm coming for you. It may take a few months, but I'll get [computer verification of my proof] and then your lives will be ended as you previously knew it." -- JSH meets PVS
On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have > >> > a bone sticking through your nose?
> >> Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
> > Low? What is low about African culture?
> Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and > *you know it*.
"People with schizotypal personality disorder often have oddities of thought, including "magical" beliefs or peculiar ideas (for example, a belief in telepathy). They have delusions characterized by saying that they can read other people's minds."
By saying that "you know it", you are stating that you know what knowledge I have in my head - that you can read my mind. That is a classic delusion held by psychotic people.
Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that you have an Emotional Illness?
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 1:15 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular > >> > and widely acclaimed.
> > > I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book[1] > > is > >> "The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your > >> Mumps Applications Run Faster."
> > > Rather less impressive sounding, ain't it?
> > To those stupid enough to judge a book by its title.
> Evidently you judge a book by its title, too. Otherwise, why would > you pretend that it had a different title?
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency Techniques” or “HOET”.
See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at computer conferences.
How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give anyone outside of their species anything.
He: “That’s stupid.” Me: “Russell said it.” He: (no more “That’s stupid.”)
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> >> >> > All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing > >> >> > nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a > >> >> > bitch.
> >> >> Well put.
> >> > Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of > >> > Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
> > > No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
> and hence no ad hominem. The fact is that > you're a disgusting son of a bitch and it ain't a fallacy to say so.
> Anyway, there's no point in continuing this silly aside. You're > simply distracting from the plain fact that your comment to Zuhair was > vile and racist (though not, far as I can tell, directed against > Zuhair's actual ethnic heritage so much as one you made up). What you > said was shameful and you haven't the good sense to apologize.
> -- > "...you are around so that I have something else to do when I'm not > figuring something important out. I was especially intrigued on this > iteration by cursing, which I think I'll continue at some later date > as it's so amusing." --- James S. Harris- Hide quoted text -
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> >> > "Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have > >> >> > a bone sticking through your nose?
> >> >> Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
> >> > Low? What is low about African culture?
> >> Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and > >> *you know it*.
> > A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
> > YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in > > fact the names often begin with ZU.
> Your comment about a bone through the nose was meant to be a > disparaging comment.
You are insulting African Americans. Why is it disparaging to refer to their customs?
You are also saying that you can tell what I am thinking. Do you believe that?
> Anyway, I made my point and there's no reason to continue this > discussion.
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes > "Run mathematicians, RUN!!! I'm coming for you. It may take a few > months, but I'll get [computer verification of my proof] and then your > lives will be ended as you previously knew it." -- JSH meets PVS- Hide quoted text -
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best > him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an > area) based on the programming language they use.
You're hallucinating. I didn't attack anyone, I offered a comment about MUMPS.
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency > Techniques” or “HOET”.
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post you made at http://objectmix.com.
> See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at > computer conferences.
Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've found.
Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy", note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published. Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was directed act did that any more.
However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review. That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
> How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are > you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice > programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while > the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give > anyone outside of their species anything.
I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more influential author than you.
-- Jesse F. Hughes
"There's absolutely no information here." -- Hank Hill, on blogging and information theory.
On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensi...@uta.fi> wrote:
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best > > him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an > > area) based on the programming language they use.
> You're hallucinating. I didn't attack anyone,
"MUMPS is obsolescent, MUMPS programs looking like something Musatov would post in his spare moments. I expect Charlie has rewrote his book using F#. About the marvel that is MUMPS"
You attacked MUMPS, right? Why - because I used it in the title of the book? Well, the techniques apply to any database system. But why argue over something of no consequence?
Why attack the book you have never read (fighting over the title)? Is it because of the author?
Psychopaths (aka sociopaths) also lie without hesitation.
Notice how the points that I have proven from quotes of you and others are listed - people who say they know what other people are thinking etc.
"Warn People
Report (to) police authorities if you come across evidence of violence inflicted by the sociopath. The faster they are put behind bars, the better it is. Remember they feed on your fears and emotions and use them to manipulate you. Be fearless, and deal with them coldly.
For those of you, who have been unfortunate enough to have crossed paths with a sociopath, I would like to say that, do not lose your trust in humanity. There is a lot of goodness and beauty in this world which is waiting to be beholden by you. Don't let sociopaths and other anti social elements bring you down to their level. Deal with them with a cool mind and do not ever hesitate in doing the right thing, no matter how hard it is!"
On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell > > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The > > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's > > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency > > Techniques” or “HOET”.
> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency > Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the > word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post > you made athttp://objectmix.com.
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course, which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the abbreviated name – just as they refer to Wolfram’s book as ANKS.
> > See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at > > computer conferences.
> Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that > persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've > found.
> Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy", > note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and > was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published. > Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because > they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for > some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that > neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was > directed act did that any more.
That's Ben B. one of the one or two people I referred to earlier - people who are contract programmersa like me and who write about puzzles and who falsely criticize the book. Ben has said repeatedly in print that the techniques are implementation-specific when in fact I have implementation-specific techniques in a separate section and there are only 5 out of 125. Quote the rest of the thread, please.
The only other guy who has acted weird about my book is Alan F who likewise writes about puzzles and is a contract programmer.
As for the rest of the world, post a question on that MUMPS discussion board and ask for opinions. A class was created just to teach my book, classes on programming repeated praised it - it's really a kick- ass book. People write me asking for copies and I send them a PDF. "Last known copy" refers to my own copies. People still find them occasionally, as I have described before. When it was first out of print the Veteran's Administration called the publisher and told them to start publishing it again, as they give a copy to every new programmer in any VA hospital.
But this is a stupid waste of time. None of this has to do with Logic.
You are also wrong. You are attacking a book you never read. This is no better than Emotional Abuse.
BTW It has always been this way. Sane people complement me and insane people can't stand me. The nice people tell me I'm smart and enjoy my company. The emotionally weak people - people who can't stand to have anyone make a suggestion as to how to improve anything - freak out when I come in as a consultant and they see how smart I am. Ask anyone who has aced an SAT - maybe someone else here - what it's like.
It's true and I don't mind that some people disagree or act irrationally. The smart people know the truth. Einstein was one of the biggest proponents of "The Emperor Has No Clothes". John Lennon wrote a song about it.
> To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion > of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either > never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
> On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review. > That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love > you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If > you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this > book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
> > How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are > > you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice > > programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while > > the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give > > anyone outside of their species anything.
> I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more > influential author than you.
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes
> "There's absolutely no information here." > -- Hank Hill, on blogging and information theory.
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell >> > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The >> > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's >> > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency >> > Techniques" or ``HOET".
>> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency >> Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the >> word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post >> you made athttp://objectmix.com.
> The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course, > which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the > abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
Just to be clear: a google search on
"HOET" mumps programming -virus -disease -rubella
brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this thread.
Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does "efficiency" or "techniques".
It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
-- Jesse F. Hughes "The future is a fascinating thing, and so is history. And you people are a fascinating part of history, for those in the future." -- James S. Harris is fascinating, too
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell > >> > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The > >> > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's > >> > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency > >> > Techniques" or ``HOET".
> >> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency > >> Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the > >> word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post > >> you made athttp://objectmix.com.
> > The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course, > > which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the > > abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes > "The future is a fascinating thing, and so is history. And you people > are a fascinating part of history, for those in the future." > -- James S. Harris is fascinating, too- Hide quoted text -
Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: >> >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell >> >> > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The >> >> > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's >> >> > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency >> >> > Techniques" or ``HOET".
>> >> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency >> >> Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the >> >> word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post >> >> you made athttp://objectmix.com.
>> > The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course, >> > which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the >> > abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
>> brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this >> thread.
>> Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does >> "efficiency" or "techniques".
>> It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
> Search MUMPS HANDBOOK and there's millions.
Er, right. But that's exactly what I said was odd about your reference: you left out the word "MUMPS". (And, in any case, not all of the hits are reference to your book.)
Anyway, this discussion has gotten a bit silly. I never said that your book isn't influential among the MUMPS community. I honestly have no idea of its influence. I only said that you inflated the apparent scope of the book by referring to it as "the Handbook of Efficiency Techniques" -- and also that it's pretty silly to call it your first book when it is your only published book.
> Post it on any MUMPS discussion board - or on all of at least 3 or 4. > Ask if anyone has heard of or read my book and what their opinion of > it is.
Well, the 2003 thread I mentioned provides some small anecdotal evidence, no? One bad review and the remainder of posters had no familiarity with the text. (There is one positive anonymous review on Amazon and one complimentary mention in the MUMPS FAQ, so I'm not suggesting that the general reception is negative.)
> Sorry - you're a waste of space.
Surely.
-- Jesse F. Hughes "Casting [Demi] Moore as a woman who has come to the New World so that she can 'worship without fear or persecution' in _The_Scarlet_Letter_ is like casting Bruce Willis as Young Rene Descartes." -Joe Queenan
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell > > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The > > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's > > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency > > Techniques” or “HOET”.
> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency > Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the > word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post > you made athttp://objectmix.com.
> > See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at > > computer conferences.
> Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that > persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've > found.
> Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy", > note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and > was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published. > Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because > they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for > some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that > neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was > directed act did that any more.
> However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
> To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion > of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either > never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
How do you know they have never seen it or forgotten about it entirely? That is a false conclusion.
There is exactly one indication of someone not being familiar with it, from Mary Rose. All 3 are enthusiastic about it:
Rob Tweed: “Why not make it available to even more cyberfriends, Charlie, by uploading it to our Utility Library - see www.mgateway.com”
John K Mitchell : “Let us put it on the camta.net site ;-)”
Mary Rose Hoare: “A handbook of efficiency techniques certainly sounds interesting. How would I get a copy? If even one of Charlie's techniques turned out to be useful or just gave me a new idea it could save a lot.”
Then there are two quotations cited:
"Charlie's book is still the best source for efficiency techniques in MUMPS." - Fred Hiltz
"It's well-known that (Charlie's book) is a standard resource for MUMPS programmers." - Karl at Lovelace
It's exactly what I said - only Ben was negative - and see how badly he attacks it? It is a personal thing with him. When I ask for examples of implementation-specific material beyond the 5 out of 125 techniques in the appendix, he has none. He has no technical points. Yet he repeats it. Now, who does that sound like? (Hint: SCI.LOGIC.) Only one person has that attitude in this discussion.
> On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review. > That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love > you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If > you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this > book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
> > How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are > > you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice > > programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while > > the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give > > anyone outside of their species anything.
> I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more > influential author than you.
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes
> "There's absolutely no information here." > -- Hank Hill, on blogging and information theory.
> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > > On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote: > >> >> Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes: > >> >> > People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell > >> >> > out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The > >> >> > MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's > >> >> > Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency > >> >> > Techniques" or ``HOET".
> >> >> You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency > >> >> Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the > >> >> word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post > >> >> you made athttp://objectmix.com.
> >> > The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course, > >> > which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the > >> > abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
> >> brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this > >> thread.
> >> Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does > >> "efficiency" or "techniques".
> >> It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
> > Search MUMPS HANDBOOK and there's millions.
> Er, right. But that's exactly what I said was odd about your > reference: you left out the word "MUMPS".
That is the same phrase used to describe my book by both myself and Mary Rose in the thread you quote: "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques". Why is it suddenly odd?
You have taken attacking the messenger (ad hominem) to an art form.
How about if we start talking about Mathematical Logic? Just a little? :)
> (And, in any case, not all > of the hits are reference to your book.)
> Anyway, this discussion has gotten a bit silly. I never said that > your book isn't influential among the MUMPS community. I honestly > have no idea of its influence. I only said that you inflated the > apparent scope of the book by referring to it as "the Handbook of > Efficiency Techniques" -- and also that it's pretty silly to call it > your first book when it is your only published book.
> > Post it on any MUMPS discussion board - or on all of at least 3 or 4. > > Ask if anyone has heard of or read my book and what their opinion of > > it is.
> Well, the 2003 thread I mentioned provides some small anecdotal > evidence, no? One bad review and the remainder of posters had no > familiarity with the text. (There is one positive anonymous review > on Amazon and one complimentary mention in the MUMPS FAQ, so I'm not > suggesting that the general reception is negative.)
> > Sorry - you're a waste of space.
> Surely.
> -- > Jesse F. Hughes > "Casting [Demi] Moore as a woman who has come to the New World so that > she can 'worship without fear or persecution' in _The_Scarlet_Letter_ > is like casting Bruce Willis as Young Rene Descartes." -Joe Queenan- Hide quoted text -
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