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Alex  
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 More options Oct 7 2007, 6:22 pm
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
From: Alex <alexk...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 -0000
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:22 pm
Subject: How do you handle this?
The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.

I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o
and K4o and lose.

I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.

I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I
had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been
hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.

Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled
this without tilting?

Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.


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hops  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 12:18 am
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From: "hops" <a...@g.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:48:33 +0100
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 12:18 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?

"Alex" <alexk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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It happens to everyone I assume. When I get to the stage of even thinking
about posting to here about it, I stop for the night and have a cold one. If
I am feeling better the next day, I play again.  I only learnt to do this
over the last week or so, and I'm sure I'll get riled enough to go against
my better judgement.

I'm  running hot at a table full of idiots at the moment. They have the kind
of image Id probably get at  a 2.5-5 NLHE table. I have made notes on three
of the players already. You tend to remember the bad ones. I am trying to
keep the memory of the guy I just played calling  my AsQs dollar  50 pre
flop raise along with most of the table. I was MP checked to me with  2
spades and a Q on flop (not paired)  I bet pot size, Called by two player.
Third spade hits on turn, its Ks  I have nut flush. I check next guy bets ,
next raises, I call, guy to my left folds. I guess this guy must have AK or
AQ so I push the river which is an Ace He calls and is all in with A3 off.
\o/

That's one to keep in an easily accessible bit of my memory next time i get
a bad beat.

A


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Beldin the Sorcerer  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 1:12 am
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From: "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:42:14 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 1:12 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?

"Alex" <alexk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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It's variance.

What you need is A) a bankroll large enough to withstand variance (which is
higher online due to wilder play) and B) the patience to evaluate your
decisions rationally, and if they're still good, you still play.


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Weevil99  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 2:37 am
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From: Weevil99 <n...@this.time>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:07:28 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:37 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 +0000, Alex wrote:
> The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.

> I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o
> and K4o and lose.

> I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.

> I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I had
> to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been
> hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.

> Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled
> this without tilting?

Without tilting?  Ha!  I've been having the same kind of weekend, and I'm
on full tilt.  The condition, not the poker room.

I just finished a 45-man SNG at Stars and managed to make it past the
bubble with the 2nd biggest stack.  I immediately get a good hand and go
up against the chip leader, who takes me down with nothing.  I don't even
want to talk about the cards we had.  It's a genuine miracle I cashed at
all, the way things have been going.

Not a good weekend.  My palms are sweating, and I'm itching to make back
some of what I've lost.  I realize I'm beginning to play badly, but I
can't seem to stop.

This is the first time I've experienced this.  I have no idea how to
handle it.

> Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.

If you figure out how to handle it, post a followup.

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Will in New Haven  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 2:59 am
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From: Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:14 -0000
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:59 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?
On Oct 7, 11:07 am, Weevil99 <n...@this.time> wrote:

Tilt-Proofing Method:

This is very likely to work if you are willing to try it. It comes
from a suggestion from Mike Caro. People often refuse to try because
it would not be worth it. That, of course, is your choice.

Step One: Give up the positive feelings, the rush, when you win a pot.
Let it go. Just stack your chips or do whatever you do online and go
on to the next hand. It is easier to detach from your _good_ results
and will make it easier to detach from your bad results.

Second Step: Stop characterizing your opponents in an emotional
manner. When you think about your opponents, think about their
_specific qualities_ as players and don't characterize them in a
general negative manner. It can be difficult to accept being defeated
by a donkey but losing a hand because a very loose player called,
which is what you expect, when most people wouldn't is part of doing
business.

Third Step: Don't anticipate winning a pot. No matter what cards you
hold, everyone else has to fold or you have to show down the winning
five-card poker hand to win. That means the sense of entitlement when
you are looking at a premium hand is not wise. Just play, don't feel.

Fourth Step: Don't get a big kick out of a winning session or a good
tournament result. Just do your book-keeping and go off to the next
thing in your life.

Fifth Step: Play more cash and fewer tournaments. It is hard not to
react emotionally to a beat that takes you out of a tournament and it
is hard to avoid exalting when you do well.

Sixth Step: Play lower. If your emotions can't stay out of your game,
you may be playing for stakes that are too high.

Take any satisfaction you get out of making correct decisions.
Banishing positive emotions from your game will help you banish the
negative emotions.

Will in New Haven

--

"Phil's last book was called _Play Poker like the Pros_ his next book
should be called _Cry Like a Baby_" Norm Chad


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Weevil99  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 3:45 am
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From: Weevil99 <n...@this.time>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:15:50 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:45 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:14 +0000, Will in New Haven wrote:

Thank you very much for taking the time to post this.  I'm going to save
this to a text file and put it on my Desktop so I can click into it
whenever I want.  Just reading it helps.

Steps 5 and 6 won't work for me, though.  Step 5 recommends more cash
games, and I'm not really in it for that.  I like tournaments.  Golf,
pool, darts, chess, poker...I just like to compete in tournaments.

Step 6 is no good for me, either, since I already play at the microscopic
level.  It isn't losing the small entry fees that bothers me, anyway.  
It's this extended statistical anomaly I'm going through that prevents
the laws of probability from doing their duty and letting me win!  :)

Anyway, thanks.  I'm going to read it again, slip on my best Ghandi
persona, and plunge into yet another $1.75 SnG grinder.

Deep breaths.  Calm, peaceful thoughts.  The universe does not hate
me...the universe does not hate me...ohhhhmmmmmmmmmm

Okay.  This is better.  I feel like I can play without becoming too
emotionally invested in the outcome.  Very nice.

And now...it's time to make those bastards pay!


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Will in New Haven  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 3:50 am
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From: Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:20:10 -0000
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:50 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?
On Oct 7, 12:15 pm, Weevil99 <n...@this.time> wrote:

If understand the cold, uncaring nature of the universe can help
anywhere, it can help at poker. The U doesn't hate you. It just does
not give a fuck. Do well, man, play hard.

Will in New Haven

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"Phil's last book was called _Play Poker like the Pros_ his next book
should be called _Cry Like a Baby_" Norm Chad


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Irish Mike  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 5:09 am
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From: "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:39:59 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:09 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?
Play LHE, reduce the impact of some one hiting a long shot against you,
minimize swings  and enable your superior hand selection and  playing skills
to consistently take their money.

Irish Mike

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Will in New Haven  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 5:19 am
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From: Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:49:08 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:19 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?
On Oct 7, 1:39 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:

> Play LHE, reduce the impact of some one hiting a long shot against you,
> minimize swings  and enable your superior hand selection and  playing skills
> to consistently take their money.

As long as LHE attracts enough inferior players this is certainly
true. I am not saying that it will but NL may draw off almost all the
"customers." If that is the case, continuing to play it would be bad
business, like continuing to try to make a living at Draw and Lowball
when the other games were made legal in California.

Will in New Haven

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And I have heard Doc Watson play Columbus Stockade Blues"
Guy Clark - "Dublin Blues"


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mccard  
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 More options Oct 8 2007, 5:55 am
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From: "mccard" <mcs...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:25:56 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:55 am
Subject: Re: How do you handle this?

"Weevil99" <n...@this.time> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:14 +0000, Will in New Haven wrote:

You are not the only one :)  Hope this makes you feel better, lol.

PokerStars Game #12491151259: Tournament #63398589, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No
Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2007/10/07 - 14:17:07 (ET)
Table '63398589 5' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 6: mccard (90 in chips)
trickrider1: posts small blind 15
Jack1313: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mccard [Ah As]
mccard: raises 60 to 90 and is all-in
trickrider1: folds
Jack1313: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [5h 2h 4s]
*** TURN *** [5h 2h 4s] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [5h 2h 4s 6d] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jack1313: shows [2c 3c] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
mccard: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
Jack1313 collected 195 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 195 | Rake 0
Board [5h 2h 4s 6d 2d]
Seat 2: Jack1313 (big blind) showed [2c 3c] and won (195) with a straight,
Deuce to Six
Seat 6: mccard (button) showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and
Deuces


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