The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o and K4o and lose.
I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled this without tilting?
> The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > and K4o and lose.
> I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > this without tilting?
> Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
It happens to everyone I assume. When I get to the stage of even thinking about posting to here about it, I stop for the night and have a cold one. If I am feeling better the next day, I play again. I only learnt to do this over the last week or so, and I'm sure I'll get riled enough to go against my better judgement.
I'm running hot at a table full of idiots at the moment. They have the kind of image Id probably get at a 2.5-5 NLHE table. I have made notes on three of the players already. You tend to remember the bad ones. I am trying to keep the memory of the guy I just played calling my AsQs dollar 50 pre flop raise along with most of the table. I was MP checked to me with 2 spades and a Q on flop (not paired) I bet pot size, Called by two player. Third spade hits on turn, its Ks I have nut flush. I check next guy bets , next raises, I call, guy to my left folds. I guess this guy must have AK or AQ so I push the river which is an Ace He calls and is all in with A3 off. \o/
That's one to keep in an easily accessible bit of my memory next time i get a bad beat.
> The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > and K4o and lose.
> I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > this without tilting?
> Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
It's variance.
What you need is A) a bankroll large enough to withstand variance (which is higher online due to wilder play) and B) the patience to evaluate your decisions rationally, and if they're still good, you still play.
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 +0000, Alex wrote: > The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > and K4o and lose.
> I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I had > to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > this without tilting?
Without tilting? Ha! I've been having the same kind of weekend, and I'm on full tilt. The condition, not the poker room.
I just finished a 45-man SNG at Stars and managed to make it past the bubble with the 2nd biggest stack. I immediately get a good hand and go up against the chip leader, who takes me down with nothing. I don't even want to talk about the cards we had. It's a genuine miracle I cashed at all, the way things have been going.
Not a good weekend. My palms are sweating, and I'm itching to make back some of what I've lost. I realize I'm beginning to play badly, but I can't seem to stop.
This is the first time I've experienced this. I have no idea how to handle it.
> Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
If you figure out how to handle it, post a followup.
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 +0000, Alex wrote: > > The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> > I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > > and K4o and lose.
> > I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> > I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I had > > to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> > Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > > this without tilting?
> Without tilting? Ha! I've been having the same kind of weekend, and I'm > on full tilt. The condition, not the poker room.
> I just finished a 45-man SNG at Stars and managed to make it past the > bubble with the 2nd biggest stack. I immediately get a good hand and go > up against the chip leader, who takes me down with nothing. I don't even > want to talk about the cards we had. It's a genuine miracle I cashed at > all, the way things have been going.
> Not a good weekend. My palms are sweating, and I'm itching to make back > some of what I've lost. I realize I'm beginning to play badly, but I > can't seem to stop.
> This is the first time I've experienced this. I have no idea how to > handle it.
> > Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
> If you figure out how to handle it, post a followup.
Tilt-Proofing Method:
This is very likely to work if you are willing to try it. It comes from a suggestion from Mike Caro. People often refuse to try because it would not be worth it. That, of course, is your choice.
Step One: Give up the positive feelings, the rush, when you win a pot. Let it go. Just stack your chips or do whatever you do online and go on to the next hand. It is easier to detach from your _good_ results and will make it easier to detach from your bad results.
Second Step: Stop characterizing your opponents in an emotional manner. When you think about your opponents, think about their _specific qualities_ as players and don't characterize them in a general negative manner. It can be difficult to accept being defeated by a donkey but losing a hand because a very loose player called, which is what you expect, when most people wouldn't is part of doing business.
Third Step: Don't anticipate winning a pot. No matter what cards you hold, everyone else has to fold or you have to show down the winning five-card poker hand to win. That means the sense of entitlement when you are looking at a premium hand is not wise. Just play, don't feel.
Fourth Step: Don't get a big kick out of a winning session or a good tournament result. Just do your book-keeping and go off to the next thing in your life.
Fifth Step: Play more cash and fewer tournaments. It is hard not to react emotionally to a beat that takes you out of a tournament and it is hard to avoid exalting when you do well.
Sixth Step: Play lower. If your emotions can't stay out of your game, you may be playing for stakes that are too high.
Take any satisfaction you get out of making correct decisions. Banishing positive emotions from your game will help you banish the negative emotions.
Will in New Haven
--
"Phil's last book was called _Play Poker like the Pros_ his next book should be called _Cry Like a Baby_" Norm Chad
> On Oct 7, 11:07 am, Weevil99 <n...@this.time> wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 +0000, Alex wrote: >> > The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
>> > I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like >> > 76o and K4o and lose.
>> > I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
>> > I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I >> > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have >> > been hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
>> > Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled >> > this without tilting?
>> Without tilting? Ha! I've been having the same kind of weekend, and >> I'm on full tilt. The condition, not the poker room.
>> I just finished a 45-man SNG at Stars and managed to make it past the >> bubble with the 2nd biggest stack. I immediately get a good hand and >> go up against the chip leader, who takes me down with nothing. I don't >> even want to talk about the cards we had. It's a genuine miracle I >> cashed at all, the way things have been going.
>> Not a good weekend. My palms are sweating, and I'm itching to make >> back some of what I've lost. I realize I'm beginning to play badly, >> but I can't seem to stop.
>> This is the first time I've experienced this. I have no idea how to >> handle it.
>> > Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
>> If you figure out how to handle it, post a followup.
> Tilt-Proofing Method:
> This is very likely to work if you are willing to try it. It comes from > a suggestion from Mike Caro. People often refuse to try because it would > not be worth it. That, of course, is your choice.
> Step One: Give up the positive feelings, the rush, when you win a pot. > Let it go. Just stack your chips or do whatever you do online and go on > to the next hand. It is easier to detach from your _good_ results and > will make it easier to detach from your bad results.
> Second Step: Stop characterizing your opponents in an emotional manner. > When you think about your opponents, think about their _specific > qualities_ as players and don't characterize them in a general negative > manner. It can be difficult to accept being defeated by a donkey but > losing a hand because a very loose player called, which is what you > expect, when most people wouldn't is part of doing business.
> Third Step: Don't anticipate winning a pot. No matter what cards you > hold, everyone else has to fold or you have to show down the winning > five-card poker hand to win. That means the sense of entitlement when > you are looking at a premium hand is not wise. Just play, don't feel.
> Fourth Step: Don't get a big kick out of a winning session or a good > tournament result. Just do your book-keeping and go off to the next > thing in your life.
> Fifth Step: Play more cash and fewer tournaments. It is hard not to > react emotionally to a beat that takes you out of a tournament and it is > hard to avoid exalting when you do well.
> Sixth Step: Play lower. If your emotions can't stay out of your game, > you may be playing for stakes that are too high.
> Take any satisfaction you get out of making correct decisions. Banishing > positive emotions from your game will help you banish the negative > emotions.
> Will in New Haven
Thank you very much for taking the time to post this. I'm going to save this to a text file and put it on my Desktop so I can click into it whenever I want. Just reading it helps.
Steps 5 and 6 won't work for me, though. Step 5 recommends more cash games, and I'm not really in it for that. I like tournaments. Golf, pool, darts, chess, poker...I just like to compete in tournaments.
Step 6 is no good for me, either, since I already play at the microscopic level. It isn't losing the small entry fees that bothers me, anyway. It's this extended statistical anomaly I'm going through that prevents the laws of probability from doing their duty and letting me win! :)
Anyway, thanks. I'm going to read it again, slip on my best Ghandi persona, and plunge into yet another $1.75 SnG grinder.
Deep breaths. Calm, peaceful thoughts. The universe does not hate me...the universe does not hate me...ohhhhmmmmmmmmmm
Okay. This is better. I feel like I can play without becoming too emotionally invested in the outcome. Very nice.
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:14 +0000, Will in New Haven wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 11:07 am, Weevil99 <n...@this.time> wrote: > >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:52:04 +0000, Alex wrote: > >> > The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> >> > I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like > >> > 76o and K4o and lose.
> >> > I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> >> > I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I > >> > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have > >> > been hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> >> > Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > >> > this without tilting?
> >> Without tilting? Ha! I've been having the same kind of weekend, and > >> I'm on full tilt. The condition, not the poker room.
> >> I just finished a 45-man SNG at Stars and managed to make it past the > >> bubble with the 2nd biggest stack. I immediately get a good hand and > >> go up against the chip leader, who takes me down with nothing. I don't > >> even want to talk about the cards we had. It's a genuine miracle I > >> cashed at all, the way things have been going.
> >> Not a good weekend. My palms are sweating, and I'm itching to make > >> back some of what I've lost. I realize I'm beginning to play badly, > >> but I can't seem to stop.
> >> This is the first time I've experienced this. I have no idea how to > >> handle it.
> >> > Maybe I need a few weeks away from the table.
> >> If you figure out how to handle it, post a followup.
> > Tilt-Proofing Method:
> > This is very likely to work if you are willing to try it. It comes from > > a suggestion from Mike Caro. People often refuse to try because it would > > not be worth it. That, of course, is your choice.
> > Step One: Give up the positive feelings, the rush, when you win a pot. > > Let it go. Just stack your chips or do whatever you do online and go on > > to the next hand. It is easier to detach from your _good_ results and > > will make it easier to detach from your bad results.
> > Second Step: Stop characterizing your opponents in an emotional manner. > > When you think about your opponents, think about their _specific > > qualities_ as players and don't characterize them in a general negative > > manner. It can be difficult to accept being defeated by a donkey but > > losing a hand because a very loose player called, which is what you > > expect, when most people wouldn't is part of doing business.
> > Third Step: Don't anticipate winning a pot. No matter what cards you > > hold, everyone else has to fold or you have to show down the winning > > five-card poker hand to win. That means the sense of entitlement when > > you are looking at a premium hand is not wise. Just play, don't feel.
> > Fourth Step: Don't get a big kick out of a winning session or a good > > tournament result. Just do your book-keeping and go off to the next > > thing in your life.
> > Fifth Step: Play more cash and fewer tournaments. It is hard not to > > react emotionally to a beat that takes you out of a tournament and it is > > hard to avoid exalting when you do well.
> > Sixth Step: Play lower. If your emotions can't stay out of your game, > > you may be playing for stakes that are too high.
> > Take any satisfaction you get out of making correct decisions. Banishing > > positive emotions from your game will help you banish the negative > > emotions.
> > Will in New Haven
> Thank you very much for taking the time to post this. I'm going to save > this to a text file and put it on my Desktop so I can click into it > whenever I want. Just reading it helps.
> Steps 5 and 6 won't work for me, though. Step 5 recommends more cash > games, and I'm not really in it for that. I like tournaments. Golf, > pool, darts, chess, poker...I just like to compete in tournaments.
> Step 6 is no good for me, either, since I already play at the microscopic > level. It isn't losing the small entry fees that bothers me, anyway. > It's this extended statistical anomaly I'm going through that prevents > the laws of probability from doing their duty and letting me win! :)
> Anyway, thanks. I'm going to read it again, slip on my best Ghandi > persona, and plunge into yet another $1.75 SnG grinder.
> Deep breaths. Calm, peaceful thoughts. The universe does not hate > me...the universe does not hate me...ohhhhmmmmmmmmmm
> Okay. This is better. I feel like I can play without becoming too > emotionally invested in the outcome. Very nice.
> And now...it's time to make those bastards pay!
If understand the cold, uncaring nature of the universe can help anywhere, it can help at poker. The U doesn't hate you. It just does not give a fuck. Do well, man, play hard.
Will in New Haven
--
"Phil's last book was called _Play Poker like the Pros_ his next book should be called _Cry Like a Baby_" Norm Chad
Play LHE, reduce the impact of some one hiting a long shot against you, minimize swings and enable your superior hand selection and playing skills to consistently take their money.
> The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > and K4o and lose.
> I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > this without tilting?
On Oct 7, 1:39 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Play LHE, reduce the impact of some one hiting a long shot against you, > minimize swings and enable your superior hand selection and playing skills > to consistently take their money.
As long as LHE attracts enough inferior players this is certainly true. I am not saying that it will but NL may draw off almost all the "customers." If that is the case, continuing to play it would be bad business, like continuing to try to make a living at Draw and Lowball when the other games were made legal in California.
Will in New Haven
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"I have seen the David, seen the Mona Lisa too And I have heard Doc Watson play Columbus Stockade Blues" Guy Clark - "Dublin Blues"
> > The last three days, I've had yet another run of Full Tilt luck.
> > I raise pre-flop (pot-sized or larger), get called by garbage like 76o > > and K4o and lose.
> > I play premium hands and get called (and beaten) by garbage.
> > I've completed three draws in the last three days (and one of them I > > had to give up when a 4th diamond hit the board), but others have been > > hitting 2, 3, and 4-outers on me like clockwork.
> > Assuming others have had the same kind of week, how have you handled > > this without tilting?
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:14 +0000, Will in New Haven wrote:
You are not the only one :) Hope this makes you feel better, lol.
PokerStars Game #12491151259: Tournament #63398589, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2007/10/07 - 14:17:07 (ET) Table '63398589 5' 6-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 6: mccard (90 in chips) trickrider1: posts small blind 15 Jack1313: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mccard [Ah As] mccard: raises 60 to 90 and is all-in trickrider1: folds Jack1313: calls 60 *** FLOP *** [5h 2h 4s] *** TURN *** [5h 2h 4s] [6d] *** RIVER *** [5h 2h 4s 6d] [2d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Jack1313: shows [2c 3c] (a straight, Deuce to Six) mccard: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces) Jack1313 collected 195 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 195 | Rake 0 Board [5h 2h 4s 6d 2d] Seat 2: Jack1313 (big blind) showed [2c 3c] and won (195) with a straight, Deuce to Six Seat 6: mccard (button) showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
