In article <4af0a2b7$0$1623$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from > > becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative care > ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come in the > first thing they do is take them off all their pain medication. When I > asked why they would do that she said that the drugs kill them. So.... > what's the problem. They are dying and will be in less pain for a > shorter period of time before the inevitable outcome. When my father was > in palliative care we kept pumping up his morphine. He may have died a > little sooner but he was in a lot less pain.
Some people just don't "get it" if you know what I mean. IMHO anyone terminal should be allowed all the pain meds they can get. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:39:48 -0700, "gloria.p" <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Yes, but so many of the Older Generation really, really want to >die at home and the home-based hospice services aren't as liberal >with drugs in my experience. YMMV, of course.
You know, now that I think of it... my experience with Hospice was in Oregon. Oregon has a very different attitude toward dying, so that must be the difference. I extrapolated it to all states. Sorry to all.
Note to self, move to Oregon when terminal.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:43:25 -0800, Dan Abel wrote: > In article <6fn3f5tslmdt1ta0qr1eap9g0k0l7tc...@4ax.com>, > sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> That's why I like Hospice. They want the patient to be comfortable >> and addicting the dying isn't an issue.
> But a doctor still has to write the prescription, and their license is > on the line.
> My HMO (same as yours, as I remember) controls the hard drugs pretty > carefully. I believe that the PCP (primary care physician) has limits, > and after that, it's off to the specialist.
> There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady > this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I > understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He > didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted, > then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went > on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was > for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.
that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to deny drugs to those who need them.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:44:33 -0600, Omelet wrote: > In article <hxc2ro3bj70d$.1m2mg2ct7s7iv....@40tude.net>, > blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:55:06 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>> In article <kdi53fije590.1ma25kwlbmz1q$....@40tude.net>, >>> blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> <rolls eyes> So where do YOU suggest I seek help? ;-)
>>>>> 1 and 1/2 hours sleep last night... <sigh>
>>>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a >>>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to >>>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>>>> your pal, >>>> blake
>>> He prescribed Celebrex. Works about as well as Ibuprofen and isn't as >>> safe.
>>> I do NOT want to take narcotics... It would interfere with my ability to >>> work for a living.
>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would >> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect >> you too much the next day.
>> your pal, >> blake
> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
In article <9dxclye98ht.1va1811o3jdzu....@40tude.net>, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady > > this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I > > understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He > > didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted, > > then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went > > on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was > > for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.
> that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to > deny drugs to those who need them.
> your pal, > blake
Indeed. It's not fair to punish those with a legitimate need for the actions of a few ass holes. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
In article <njd8m4nc9ruy.v6ceba7i14r9$....@40tude.net>, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would > >> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect > >> you too much the next day.
> >> your pal, > >> blake
> > I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
> your pal, > blake
Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little research...
Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2 hours sleep. :-) -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
In article <9dxclye98ht.1va1811o3jdzu....@40tude.net>, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:43:25 -0800, Dan Abel wrote: > > There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady > > this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I > > understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He > > didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted, > > then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went > > on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was > > for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.
> that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to > deny drugs to those who need them.
Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's OC", heroin.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
> Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I > understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin > addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's > OC", heroin.
When I was taking oxycontin about 7 years ago I was told that the pills were worth $20 apiece on the street. IIRC, it cost me $15 for 60 pills.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote: > In article <njd8m4nc9ruy.v6ceba7i14r9$....@40tude.net>, > blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would >>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect >>>> you too much the next day.
>>>> your pal, >>>> blake
>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
>> your pal, >> blake
> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I > won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to > see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little > research...
> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2 > hours sleep. :-)
i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five melatonins might not be necessary.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:38:36 -0500, Dave Smith wrote: > Dan Abel wrote:
>> Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I >> understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin >> addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's >> OC", heroin.
> When I was taking oxycontin about 7 years ago I was told that the pills > were worth $20 apiece on the street. IIRC, it cost me $15 for 60 pills.
people *do* like to get high, don't they? too bad that after a point, they need it to 'get straight.'
> >>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would > >>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't > >>>> affect > >>>> you too much the next day.
> >>>> your pal, > >>>> blake
> >>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
> >> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
> >> your pal, > >> blake
> > Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I > > won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to > > see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little > > research...
> > Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
> > 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2 > > hours sleep. :-)
> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five > melatonins might not be necessary.
> your pal, > blake
Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g> Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just the opposite in fact.
For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my Primary care doc now...
I need to get some sleep. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote: > In article <1dn0cbyxlegt9$.6pn4hl1fu15t....@40tude.net>, > blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>> In article <njd8m4nc9ruy.v6ceba7i14r9$....@40tude.net>, >>> blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would >>>>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't >>>>>> affect >>>>>> you too much the next day.
>>>>>> your pal, >>>>>> blake
>>>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
>>>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
>>>> your pal, >>>> blake
>>> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I >>> won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to >>> see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little >>> research...
>>> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
>>> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2 >>> hours sleep. :-)
>> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five >> melatonins might not be necessary.
>> your pal, >> blake
> Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g> > Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with > her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give > me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just > the opposite in fact.
> For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of > typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my > Primary care doc now...
> >>>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would > >>>>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't > >>>>>> affect > >>>>>> you too much the next day.
> >>>>>> your pal, > >>>>>> blake
> >>>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the > >>>>> doctor.
> >>>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
> >>>> your pal, > >>>> blake
> >>> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I > >>> won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to > >>> see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little > >>> research...
> >>> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
> >>> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2 > >>> hours sleep. :-)
> >> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five > >> melatonins might not be necessary.
> >> your pal, > >> blake
> > Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g> > > Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with > > her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give > > me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just > > the opposite in fact.
> > For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of > > typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my > > Primary care doc now...
> > I need to get some sleep.
> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
> i hope you find something that works for you.
> your pal, > blake
I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them have really taken the edge off. ;-) -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
>> i hope you find something that works for you.
>> your pal, >> blake
> I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them > have really taken the edge off. ;-)
Hopefully you can begin getting more sleep, the right pain medication could help. Going without sleep can just make you miserable, it is almost as dangerous as driving while drinking.
BTW, if you have any leftover medication, consider donating them to your doctor or pharmacist. They are now calling this drug recycling. Here in LA, drugs must be sealed in unopened tamper-proof packaging and either individually packaged or packaged in unit-dose packaging. No narcotics are accepted. Interfaith takes ours, they have a pharmacist at their clinic.
> >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
> >> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
> >> i hope you find something that works for you.
> >> your pal, > >> blake
> > I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them > > have really taken the edge off. ;-)
> Hopefully you can begin getting more sleep, the right pain medication > could help. Going without sleep can just make you miserable, it is > almost as dangerous as driving while drinking.
I know. <g> I took one more Tramadol 6 hours after the last one (50mg) and got several hours sleep this morning. Gods knows I needed it! I won't take anymore now until I'm ready to go back to sleep later this evening.
> BTW, if you have any leftover medication, consider donating them to your > doctor or pharmacist. They are now calling this drug recycling. Here > in LA, drugs must be sealed in unopened tamper-proof packaging and > either individually packaged or packaged in unit-dose packaging. No > narcotics are accepted. Interfaith takes ours, they have a pharmacist > at their clinic.
> Becca
That is a cool idea. :-) But, considering the fact that I don't plan on having surgery until sometime in February, I've a feeling I'm going to need what I have for awhile yet. But only at night. My doc was generous with the refills.
Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to sleep in, and that hurts.
I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take that much. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
Omelet wrote: > Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it > is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only > really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying > down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to > sleep in, and that hurts.
> I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The > does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take > that much.
Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
Becca <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote: > Omelet wrote: > > Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it > > is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only > > really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying > > down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to > > sleep in, and that hurts.
> > I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The > > does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take > > that much.
> Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move > wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute > and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I > hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
> Becca
Do you know what is wrong with it? Turns out I have a full thickness tear of the Supraspinatus tendon and it's retracted. The only way to fix it is surgery. It's throwing the function of the other rotator cuff muscles out of balance.
I'm not hurting very bad today so I'm going to skip the Tramadol when I go to sleep here shortly. :-) Don't want to take it if I don't need it. I had an ART treatment this morning so I think that's why it's feeling better. Dr. Miller is ruthless, and very good at what he does. Ashley the physical therapist also had me put in a good shoulder workout.
I'm still waiting to hear back from the Ortho' and possibly tentatively set a surgery date. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
Becca wrote: > Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move > wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute > and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I > hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
I have hurt the rotator cuff in both shoulders, thankfully at different times many years apart. It was strange because I could pickup the arm on the injured side and move it around, but to try to move it on its own or to drop it... wow!! Incredible pain. Luckily, the initial painful part of the injury was short lived and within a few days the pain was much less severe, but it took a long time to recover completely. When I broke my collar bone the pain ranked right up there with the rotator cuff, and it hurt like hell for close to two months.
> > Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move > > wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute > > and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I > > hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
> I have hurt the rotator cuff in both shoulders, thankfully at different > times many years apart. It was strange because I could pickup the arm on > the injured side and move it around, but to try to move it on its own or > to drop it... wow!! Incredible pain. Luckily, the initial painful part > of the injury was short lived and within a few days the pain was much > less severe, but it took a long time to recover completely. When I broke > my collar bone the pain ranked right up there with the rotator cuff, and > it hurt like hell for close to two months.
I literally feel your pain Dave. <g> I'm glad you got better! This has been steadily worsening for months now which is why I finally gave in and go that MRI. I needed to know what was wrong. -- Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." --Steve Rothstein
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