Andy wrote: > "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in > news:SEeIm.84458$zt3.52289 @newsfe03.ams2:
>> George wrote:
>>> Thats the group activated entitlement mentality at work. In their >>> minds they simply are entitled to more and more no matter what. We >>> have the >>> same issue with schoolteachers in PA. Their union is the most >>> powerful labor union in the state. All you hear is whining about >>> how tough their jobs are and guaranteed every time their contracts >>> are up they will strike.
>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >> only got 4% raises every year.
>> nancy
> As if Jersey wasn't the worst state to live in forever!?!
> And you now have Christie.
> Oh, what a joy!!!
> I'd've moved before elections.
I sure wouldn't move to be closer to you, asshole.
In article <hcrs61$10...@news.eternal-september.org>,
George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote: > sf wrote: > > My goodness! This is a bad time to strike for higher wages, that's > > for sure. I can think of lots of reasonable reasons, but not a wage > > increase. > Thats the group activated entitlement mentality at work. In their minds > they simply are entitled to more and more no matter what. We have the > same issue with schoolteachers in PA. Their union is the most powerful > labor union in the state. All you hear is whining about how tough their > jobs are and guaranteed every time their contracts are up they will strike.
The teacher's union in California is very powerful, and has good access to the Governor. That really isn't surprising. They represent a lot of people.
Sometimes union leaders make a lot of noise. They have to justify their existence. Union members often pay a lot of dues. So, in PA do they just make noise, like the others, or is the strike threat serious? Here in California, many years ago, the teachers in the Oakland school district went on strike. This is a large school district. The administration and school board rejoiced every day. The schools were open, and they were getting full funding from the state. There were plenty of unemployed teachers looking for work. A substitute teacher got paid a straight US$80 a day, no benefits. The teachers weren't getting paid, because they were on strike. The district was saving two or three times what they had to pay these substitute teachers, every day of the strike.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
sf wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:41:59 -0500, "Nancy Young" > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >> only got 4% raises every year.
> Most state workers don't get huge raises yearly and they often get > nothing. You won't get rich, but it's steady work. You don't have to > worry about being laid off, you have good vacation & health benefits > and the retirement is good. Unfortunately, people tend to forget why > they chose government work over private after a while.
Most people won't get rich from their jobs. They get paid fine wages. They just keep hearing they're underpaid.
> A job is a job, but any job in any sector where you have to deal with > the public, short or tall, is a tough one.
Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their surprise.
<rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote: >Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >surprise.
I don't know what you do, but it's often the other way 'round. People from the private sector enter teaching thinking it's a cake walk and run away screaming.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
sf wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:14:10 -0500, "Nancy Young" > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >> surprise.
> I don't know what you do, but it's often the other way 'round. People > from the private sector enter teaching thinking it's a cake walk and > run away screaming.
I don't think good teaching is a cake walk. It's just not the only job that has hassles. The teachers I know who left thought *our* job would be a cake walk.
<rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote: >sf wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:14:10 -0500, "Nancy Young" >> <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >>> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >>> surprise.
>> I don't know what you do, but it's often the other way 'round. People >> from the private sector enter teaching thinking it's a cake walk and >> run away screaming.
>I don't think good teaching is a cake walk. It's just not the only job >that has hassles. The teachers I know who left thought *our* job >would be a cake walk.
I wouldn't work in any food service job if my life depended on it.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Nancy Young wrote: > Andy wrote: >> "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:SEeIm.84458$zt3.52289 @newsfe03.ams2:
>>> George wrote:
>>>> Thats the group activated entitlement mentality at work. In their >>>> minds they simply are entitled to more and more no matter what. We >>>> have the >>>> same issue with schoolteachers in PA. Their union is the most >>>> powerful labor union in the state. All you hear is whining about >>>> how tough their jobs are and guaranteed every time their contracts >>>> are up they will strike.
>>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >>> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >>> only got 4% raises every year.
>>> nancy
>> As if Jersey wasn't the worst state to live in forever!?!
>> And you now have Christie.
>> Oh, what a joy!!!
>> I'd've moved before elections.
> I sure wouldn't move to be closer to you, asshole.
No worries, Nancy, methinks Andy is in his own "state"...
sf wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:59:55 -0500, "Nancy Young" > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> sf wrote: >>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:14:10 -0500, "Nancy Young" >>> <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >>>> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >>>> surprise.
>>> I don't know what you do, but it's often the other way 'round. >>> People from the private sector enter teaching thinking it's a cake >>> walk and run away screaming.
>> I don't think good teaching is a cake walk. It's just not the only >> job that has hassles. The teachers I know who left thought *our* job >> would be a cake walk.
> I wouldn't work in any food service job if my life depended on it.
Nancy Young wrote: > Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into > my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their surprise.
> nancy
A few nurses decided to quit nursing and do electrolysis, instead. They have been pleased with the change. Still, every job has its hassles.
Becca wrote: > Nancy Young wrote: >> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >> surprise. > A few nurses decided to quit nursing and do electrolysis, instead. > They have been pleased with the change. Still, every job has its > hassles.
Nursing, that is one job that doesn't make me shrug off hassles. Yikes.
>> Thats the group activated entitlement mentality at work. In their >> minds they simply are entitled to more and more no matter what. We >> have the same issue with schoolteachers in PA. Their union is the most >> powerful >> labor union in the state. All you hear is whining about how tough >> their jobs are and guaranteed every time their contracts are up they >> will strike.
> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that > teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they > only got 4% raises every year. > nancy
Same here. Many folks in private industry are lucky to have a job never mind a raise.
The neighboring district struck this year because the school board wanted to implement a $5 prescription co-pay. Co-pays have been the norm in private enterprise for years. The teachers have a specially crafted for them super expensive ultra mega deluxe Blue Cross plan.
In PA the school boards have taxing power and in places a huge burden on property owners. At least 85% of our property tax goes to the school district with the small remainder going to county/municipal.
sf wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:41:59 -0500, "Nancy Young" > <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >> only got 4% raises every year.
> Most state workers don't get huge raises yearly and they often get > nothing. You won't get rich, but it's steady work. You don't have to > worry about being laid off, you have good vacation & health benefits > and the retirement is good. Unfortunately, people tend to forget why > they chose government work over private after a while.
> A job is a job, but any job in any sector where you have to deal with > the public, short or tall, is a tough one.
For sure. But teachers forget the significant differences. In private enterprise you may get a two or three week vacation. Teachers get three months off. In our area teachers have a 6~7 hour work day. Not so in private enterprise. In private enterprise if you need to stay late etc you just do it. In our district if a teacher is asked to stay late they get a minimum of $150 more each time. Plus the union contract requires if there is say a bake sale or similar event there must be two teachers present each getting $150. In our area you can retire with full pay and benefits after 25 years. Nothing close in private enterprise. If you get bored and want a year off you take a sabbatical. In private enterprise you do that and you are also looking for a new job.
Dan Abel wrote: > In article <hcrs61$10...@news.eternal-september.org>, > George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> My goodness! This is a bad time to strike for higher wages, that's >>> for sure. I can think of lots of reasonable reasons, but not a wage >>> increase.
>> Thats the group activated entitlement mentality at work. In their minds >> they simply are entitled to more and more no matter what. We have the >> same issue with schoolteachers in PA. Their union is the most powerful >> labor union in the state. All you hear is whining about how tough their >> jobs are and guaranteed every time their contracts are up they will strike.
> The teacher's union in California is very powerful, and has good access > to the Governor. That really isn't surprising. They represent a lot of > people.
> Sometimes union leaders make a lot of noise. They have to justify their > existence. Union members often pay a lot of dues. So, in PA do they > just make noise, like the others, or is the strike threat serious? Here > in California, many years ago, the teachers in the Oakland school > district went on strike. This is a large school district. The > administration and school board rejoiced every day. The schools were > open, and they were getting full funding from the state. There were > plenty of unemployed teachers looking for work. A substitute teacher > got paid a straight US$80 a day, no benefits. The teachers weren't > getting paid, because they were on strike. The district was saving two > or three times what they had to pay these substitute teachers, every day > of the strike.
They go on strike in PA and the schools are shut down when they do it. And strikes are the norm. They have such an entitlement mentality that there is no bargaining with them.
Nancy Young wrote: > sf wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:41:59 -0500, "Nancy Young" >> <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >>> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >>> only got 4% raises every year.
>> Most state workers don't get huge raises yearly and they often get >> nothing. You won't get rich, but it's steady work. You don't have to >> worry about being laid off, you have good vacation & health benefits >> and the retirement is good. Unfortunately, people tend to forget why >> they chose government work over private after a while.
> Most people won't get rich from their jobs. They get paid fine wages. > They just keep hearing they're underpaid. >> A job is a job, but any job in any sector where you have to deal with >> the public, short or tall, is a tough one.
> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into > my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their surprise.
> nancy
Exactly, I really object to the typical union mentality that requires them to whine-whine-whine.
> Becca wrote: >> Nancy Young wrote: >>> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >>> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >>> surprise.
>> A few nurses decided to quit nursing and do electrolysis, instead. >> They have been pleased with the change. Still, every job has its >> hassles.
> Nursing, that is one job that doesn't make me shrug off hassles. > Yikes.
> nancy
Nursing...too much paperwork plus they have those awful shifts...plus whining patients...not a pleasant job. You gotta be dedacated for that one.
-- Is that your nose, or are you eatting a banana? -Jimmy Durante
hahabogus wrote: > "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote in news:W7nIm.73039$KU2.44782 > @newsfe26.ams2 on Nov Wed 2009 04:21 pm
>> Becca wrote: >>> Nancy Young wrote: >>>> Every job has its hassles. I've known some teachers who went into >>>> my line of work thinking how great it would be. Imagine their >>>> surprise. >>> A few nurses decided to quit nursing and do electrolysis, instead. >>> They have been pleased with the change. Still, every job has its >>> hassles. >> Nursing, that is one job that doesn't make me shrug off hassles. >> Yikes.
>> nancy
> Nursing...too much paperwork plus they have those awful shifts...plus whining patients...not a > pleasant job. You gotta be dedacated for that one.
Well, I'll agree on the paperwork and whining aspect (LOL) and I gotta admit I get a little depressed working holidays at times when I wanna be home with my family too but...<sigh> but otherwise I love my PM shifts. I get to self schedule myself which allows me to decide when I want to work based on my family or outside obligations. Many nurses prefer the ability to work only weekends or evenings/nights/PM's to cover child care issues. Working two 12.5 hour PM shifts allows me full benefits, and plenty of days off each week. If I schedule it so, I can take 9 days off between work shifts and never have to use vacation days. I'd kill myself if I had to go to work Mon-Fri 9 to 5. Ugh! If you get bored or burned out in one area of nursing there are a bazillion other areas (adults, infants, hospital, clinics, insurance, caseworking, home visit nurses, surgical, research, telephone triage, flight nursing...the list goes on and on) I am respected and paid well, in particular for my extra certifications and skills.
> sf wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:41:59 -0500, "Nancy Young" >> <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >>> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >>> only got 4% raises every year.
>> Most state workers don't get huge raises yearly and they often get >> nothing. You won't get rich, but it's steady work. You don't have to >> worry about being laid off, you have good vacation & health benefits >> and the retirement is good. Unfortunately, people tend to forget why >> they chose government work over private after a while. A job is a job, >> but any job in any sector where you have to deal with >> the public, short or tall, is a tough one.
> For sure. But teachers forget the significant differences. In private > enterprise you may get a two or three week vacation. Teachers get three > months off. In our area teachers have a 6~7 hour work day. Not so in > private enterprise. In private enterprise if you need to stay late etc you > just do it. In our district if a teacher is asked to stay late they get a > minimum of $150 more each time. Plus the union contract requires if there > is say a bake sale or similar event there must be two teachers present > each getting $150. In our area you can retire with full pay and benefits > after 25 years. Nothing close in private enterprise. If you get bored and > want a year off you take a sabbatical. In private enterprise you do that > and you are also looking for a new job.
Okay, fine. So would *you* want to do the job of a teacher? Putting in way more than 40 hours a week dealing with other peoples' kids , their various problems, throwing in a crazy parent here and there? Worrying about making sure your students pass the PSSA's? Making lesson plans and preparing materials at home, as most teachers do? Driving long distances because the teaching job they have isn't anywhere near where they live, because there are 3000 applicants for every one open teaching slot and they are lucky to have gotten one? Don't think that teachers lounge around on summer break, oh no. They are off at school gaining credits they need to keep current at their jobs. The district may pay for it, it may not, but the state says you need them, so you go. If your district pays crap, you get a summer job.
The days when teaching was a plum job are long over.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:33:59 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>For sure. But teachers forget the significant differences. In private >enterprise you may get a two or three week vacation. Teachers get three >months off.
On paper. In reality, it's 3 or 4 weeks - if they're lucky.
>In our area teachers have a 6~7 hour work day.
Again, that's on paper - not reality. 10-12 hour days are common and they work weekends... off the clock.
>Not so in >private enterprise. In private enterprise if you need to stay late etc >you just do it.
So do teachers.
> In our district if a teacher is asked to stay late they get a minimum >of $150 more each time.
Nice pocket change. That kind of work is usually paid out of the school budget or the principal's discretionary funds, it's not district funded. When the district requests overtime (at least here), teachers are paid a minimum amount, not their daily rate. Our stipend was $100 per 6 hour in-service. We got more if the principal kicked in something from his/her funds.
>Plus the union contract requires >if there is say a bake sale or similar event there must be two teachers >present each getting $150.
I am not aware of that practice. As an outsider, you're probably confusing what the teachers are given stipends to do with what you think they are doing.
>In our area you can retire with full pay and benefits after 25 years.
Nice! What district are you talking about in which state? I know some people who would like to move there ASAP.
>Nothing close in private enterprise.
Right and that was your decision too. You guys wanted to take care of your own retirement instead of paying into a retirement fund, so that's the way the cookie crumbles. Looks like you big boys with your stocks and 401K didn't take such good care of yourselves after all. Cashing out every time you decided to change jobs left you short of funds. Who's laughing now?
>If you get bored and want a year off you take a sabbatical.
That's an interesting perspective. Shows how little you think of teachers in general. Teachers on go on sabbatical with goals of advancing their general knowledge, advancing in a field of interest or advancing in rank and are not granted a sabbatical unless they have those goals.
>In private enterprise you do that and you are also looking for a new job.
Teachers often look for a new job after a sabbatical. Many have completed their masters, doctorates or have added a focus in another field and then move on to a new teaching assignment. Some even move up to principal or vice principal. I don't call them lazy, but if that floats your boat be my guest. Your perception is not reality.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:34:11 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>They go on strike in PA and the schools are shut down when they do it. >And strikes are the norm. They have such an entitlement mentality that >there is no bargaining with them.
Bring in the San Francisco team. They're used to long winded negotiations.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
sf wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:33:59 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> > wrote:
>> For sure. But teachers forget the significant differences. In private >> enterprise you may get a two or three week vacation. Teachers get three >> months off.
> On paper. In reality, it's 3 or 4 weeks - if they're lucky.
Might be different in your area. I have three teachers in the family and probably know 6 more well. Unless you specifically want to teach summer school for instance (for extra pay) they are pretty much free to do what that want.
>> In our area teachers have a 6~7 hour work day.
> Again, that's on paper - not reality. 10-12 hour days are common and > they work weekends... off the clock.
Not around here. You are done pretty much around 3 o'clock. None I know ever work weekends except one who sometimes goes on various school related bus trips. But he gets another $200~300 for doing that.
>> Not so in >> private enterprise. In private enterprise if you need to stay late etc >> you just do it.
> So do teachers.
Teachers get paid. Typically if you work in private enterprise at that educational level you are salaried.
>> In our district if a teacher is asked to stay late they get a minimum >> of $150 more each time.
> Nice pocket change. That kind of work is usually paid out of the > school budget or the principal's discretionary funds, it's not > district funded. When the district requests overtime (at least > here), teachers are paid a minimum amount, not their daily rate. Our > stipend was $100 per 6 hour in-service. We got more if the principal > kicked in something from his/her funds.
>> Plus the union contract requires >> if there is say a bake sale or similar event there must be two teachers >> present each getting $150.
> I am not aware of that practice. As an outsider, you're probably > confusing what the teachers are given stipends to do with what you > think they are doing.
No, I have friends and family members as I mentioned. And the $150 minimum/two teachers must be present is specifically required in their union contract. I also remember it being published at least twice in local papers. Another little bonus they get is if a spouse is also employed by the district per the union contract the spouse gets a check for the cost of the super deluxe health care plan they have.
>> In our area you can retire with full pay and benefits after 25 years.
> Nice! What district are you talking about in which state? I know > some people who would like to move there ASAP.
From what I understand thats typically the whole state. The teachers union is the most powerful labor union in our state and unions know how to hold people hostage by throwing strikes etc.
>> Nothing close in private enterprise.
> Right and that was your decision too. You guys wanted to take care of > your own retirement instead of paying into a retirement fund, so > that's the way the cookie crumbles. Looks like you big boys with your > stocks and 401K didn't take such good care of yourselves after all. > Cashing out every time you decided to change jobs left you short of > funds. Who's laughing now?
Who said I did any of that? I get sick and tired of hearing teachers whining. No one claims they don't do anything. And when you do a side by side comparison of salaries and benefits things are nowhere near what they claim.
>> If you get bored and want a year off you take a sabbatical.
> That's an interesting perspective. Shows how little you think of > teachers in general. Teachers on go on sabbatical with goals of > advancing their general knowledge, advancing in a field of interest or > advancing in rank and are not granted a sabbatical unless they have > those goals.
Please don't put words in my mouth. If you are a teacher you can take a sabbatical, in private industry if you want to take a year off you look for a new job. Just one more nice thing about those terrible teaching jobs.
>> In private enterprise you do that and you are also looking for a new job.
> Teachers often look for a new job after a sabbatical. Many have > completed their masters, doctorates or have added a focus in another > field and then move on to a new teaching assignment. Some even move > up to principal or vice principal. I don't call them lazy, but if > that floats your boat be my guest. Your perception is not reality.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:33:51 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>sf wrote:
>> Nice! What district are you talking about in which state? I know >> some people who would like to move there ASAP.
> From what I understand thats typically the whole state. The teachers >union is the most powerful labor union in our state and unions know how >to hold people hostage by throwing strikes etc.
You still haven't named your state.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:03:59 -0500, dejablues wrote: > "George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:hcsvf1$7ad$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> sf wrote: >>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:41:59 -0500, "Nancy Young" >>> <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> It's so bad here, some teacher wrote to the paper crying that >>>> teachers were being punished for the bad economy because they >>>> only got 4% raises every year.
>>> Most state workers don't get huge raises yearly and they often get >>> nothing. You won't get rich, but it's steady work. You don't have to >>> worry about being laid off, you have good vacation & health benefits >>> and the retirement is good. Unfortunately, people tend to forget why >>> they chose government work over private after a while. A job is a job, >>> but any job in any sector where you have to deal with >>> the public, short or tall, is a tough one.
>> For sure. But teachers forget the significant differences. In private >> enterprise you may get a two or three week vacation. Teachers get three >> months off. In our area teachers have a 6~7 hour work day. Not so in >> private enterprise. In private enterprise if you need to stay late etc you >> just do it. In our district if a teacher is asked to stay late they get a >> minimum of $150 more each time. Plus the union contract requires if there >> is say a bake sale or similar event there must be two teachers present >> each getting $150. In our area you can retire with full pay and benefits >> after 25 years. Nothing close in private enterprise. If you get bored and >> want a year off you take a sabbatical. In private enterprise you do that >> and you are also looking for a new job.
> Okay, fine. So would *you* want to do the job of a teacher? Putting in way > more than 40 hours a week dealing with other peoples' kids , their various > problems, throwing in a crazy parent here and there? Worrying about making > sure your students pass the PSSA's? Making lesson plans and preparing > materials at home, as most teachers do? Driving long distances because the > teaching job they have isn't anywhere near where they live, because there > are 3000 applicants for every one open teaching slot and they are lucky to > have gotten one? > Don't think that teachers lounge around on summer break, oh no. They are off > at school gaining credits they need to keep current at their jobs. The > district may pay for it, it may not, but the state says you need them, so > you go. If your district pays crap, you get a summer job.
> The days when teaching was a plum job are long over.
teachers could get a 50% salary increase an still be underpaid.
it might be different if school districts actually supplied all the needed material, etc. frequently they don't, and teachers make up the difference.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:27:01 -0800, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:33:51 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> >wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>> Nice! What district are you talking about in which state? I know >>> some people who would like to move there ASAP.
>> From what I understand thats typically the whole state. The teachers >>union is the most powerful labor union in our state and unions know how >>to hold people hostage by throwing strikes etc.
>You still haven't named your state.
So what... you can't compare by State, only by school district, each district is different. I know teachers in the same state with the same education level, with the same number of years experience who work in adjacent districts... some earn $35K, others $85K. My sister is a NY public school teacher... she can nearly double her salary by moving into the adjacent district (Rockaway to Five Towns), but she'd have to give up her tenure, she's too close to retirement now to risk it. Wealthier school districts pay higher salaries. School district salaries are extremely disparate, Nowadays more and more school districts are by attrition moving towards hiring substitute teachers and teacher's assitants... even school nurses are subs, and one nurse services the elementary, middle, and high school. My next door neighbor's sister has been one of the school nurses in town, after many years her position was made a substitute position last year... she lost all her benefits, she's interviewing at hospitals now... but school nurse is not a plus on a resume.
Many teachers once they achieve tenure become dead wood, but there are many ways around teacher's union contracts. Many teachers after a number of years wish they had chosen a different career, but truth is a teaching degree is reletively easy to attain compared with many others and so at the time looked attractive... a nursing degree is far more difficult.
The vast majority of teachers move directly from academia to their acadamic career, very few ever experience reality... very few become mature adults, they communicate at the same level at which they do their students.
"Those you can do... those who cannot do manage... those who cannot manage teach".
sf wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:33:51 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> > wrote:
>> sf wrote: >>> Nice! What district are you talking about in which state? I know >>> some people who would like to move there ASAP.
>> From what I understand thats typically the whole state. The teachers >> union is the most powerful labor union in our state and unions know how >> to hold people hostage by throwing strikes etc.
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