On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:30:18 -0500, George wrote: > Dan Abel wrote: >> In article <1szu7i3jpfmak.tb5oplbc0t14....@40tude.net>, >> blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:19:58 -0500, George wrote:
>>>> That seems to be some sort of urban legend that keeps resurfacing. I >>>> have never actually heard of any government school teachers "making up >>>> the difference" with anything. >>> you've never heard of teachers paying out of pocket for school supplies? >>> do you *know* any teachers?
>> Yeah. He knows *lots* of teachers, from all over the country. And he >> listens to them, too, as long as they say what he is waiting to hear. >> Some of the rest of us hear different things, but George just doesn't >> hear those things.
> If you say so.
>> Now, does *every* teacher do all this? No. Some of them let the kids >> do without. Some teachers deal with the problem of parents not paying >> for field trips, by not *having* field trips. Some teachers go home >> when the bell rings.
>> But lots of teachers pay out of pocket. It's not a lot of money, but >> who else does this, and why? For the kids.
> I know its a common practice in private schools and have never actually > heard of it in government schools.
it would not surprise me at all if it was more common in 'government' schools than private schools.
blake murphy wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:38:11 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>> In article <1szu7i3jpfmak.tb5oplbc0t14....@40tude.net>, >> blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:19:58 -0500, George wrote: >>>> That seems to be some sort of urban legend that keeps resurfacing. I >>>> have never actually heard of any government school teachers "making up >>>> the difference" with anything. >>> you've never heard of teachers paying out of pocket for school supplies? >>> do you *know* any teachers? >> Yeah. He knows *lots* of teachers, from all over the country. And he >> listens to them, too, as long as they say what he is waiting to hear. >> Some of the rest of us hear different things, but George just doesn't >> hear those things.
>> Now, does *every* teacher do all this? No. Some of them let the kids >> do without. Some teachers deal with the problem of parents not paying >> for field trips, by not *having* field trips. Some teachers go home >> when the bell rings.
>> But lots of teachers pay out of pocket. It's not a lot of money, but >> who else does this, and why? For the kids.
> yep, a lot of teachers are goofy that way. they're not in it for the > money. how un-american.
> your pal, > blake
There are certainly lots of very dedicated teachers who work in private schools who aren't in it for the money. Why would they be goofy and why would they be "un-american"?
sf wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:41 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> > wrote:
>> themselves "SF" is upset because they don't have my exact location.
> You couldn't reply with your state.
Why would you assume because I simply hit send before adding that information would mean that I couldn't reply with my state? I immediately responded when you asked as a followup and I have never concealed my state.
Just out of curiosity since everything I wrote was accurate and honest what would knowing my state have to do with anything?
>>> Everything I wrote is factual. Sorry if it isn't that way for you but >>> what I wrote is most definitely accurate.
>> And I said that was in theory.
> What was in theory? If you have 3 months off with no obligation to your > employer are you on vacation or not?
There shouldn't be any argument over the public contractual agreement that most public schools are in session for 180-182 days and most teachers are required to be in attendance for fewer than 190 days per year.
> >> Everything I wrote is factual. Sorry if it isn't that way for you but > >> what I wrote is most definitely accurate.
> > And I said that was in theory.
> What was in theory? If you have 3 months off with no obligation to your > employer are you on vacation or not?
That's correct. Yes.
Many professionals spend time on their own pursuing professional education. In some fields it is required for relicensing. I believe in California it is required to complete the requirements for a full teaching certificate. Many places offer teachers more money and better advancement opportunities if they acquire an advanced degree. Some teachers spend some summers getting their master's degree.
Some teachers learn and travel, with the intention of teaching about these things in class the next year and following years.
Some teachers spend their 15 weeks drinking beer and watching the boob tube.
-- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA da...@sonic.net
>> >> Everything I wrote is factual. Sorry if it isn't that way for you but >> >> what I wrote is most definitely accurate.
>> > And I said that was in theory.
>> What was in theory? If you have 3 months off with no obligation to your >> employer are you on vacation or not?
>That's correct. Yes.
>Many professionals spend time on their own pursuing professional >education. In some fields it is required for relicensing. I believe in >California it is required to complete the requirements for a full >teaching certificate. Many places offer teachers more money and better >advancement opportunities if they acquire an advanced degree. Some >teachers spend some summers getting their master's degree.
Thre is no shortage of teachers. In the NY Capitol district school districts around where I live unless a teacher has their Masters degree they won't be interviewed.
>>>> Everything I wrote is factual. Sorry if it isn't that way for you but >>>> what I wrote is most definitely accurate. >>> And I said that was in theory.
>> What was in theory? If you have 3 months off with no obligation to your >> employer are you on vacation or not?
> That's correct. Yes.
> Many professionals spend time on their own pursuing professional > education. In some fields it is required for relicensing. I believe in > California it is required to complete the requirements for a full > teaching certificate. Many places offer teachers more money and better > advancement opportunities if they acquire an advanced degree. Some > teachers spend some summers getting their master's degree.
Sure, lots of occupations have continuing education requirements and typically those folks don't have a 3 month vacation. I know there were numerous times at one job where I had to retake courses simply because my work schedule trumped everything.
You need a graduate degree to be considered for employment as a teacher around here. In the long ago past you could be hired with an undergrad degree with the agreement you needed to complete a graduate degree in a certain time.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:45:49 -0500, George wrote: > blake murphy wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:38:11 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>>> In article <1szu7i3jpfmak.tb5oplbc0t14....@40tude.net>, >>> blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:19:58 -0500, George wrote: >>>>> That seems to be some sort of urban legend that keeps resurfacing. I >>>>> have never actually heard of any government school teachers "making up >>>>> the difference" with anything. >>>> you've never heard of teachers paying out of pocket for school supplies? >>>> do you *know* any teachers? >>> Yeah. He knows *lots* of teachers, from all over the country. And he >>> listens to them, too, as long as they say what he is waiting to hear. >>> Some of the rest of us hear different things, but George just doesn't >>> hear those things.
>>> Now, does *every* teacher do all this? No. Some of them let the kids >>> do without. Some teachers deal with the problem of parents not paying >>> for field trips, by not *having* field trips. Some teachers go home >>> when the bell rings.
>>> But lots of teachers pay out of pocket. It's not a lot of money, but >>> who else does this, and why? For the kids.
>> yep, a lot of teachers are goofy that way. they're not in it for the >> money. how un-american.
>> your pal, >> blake
> There are certainly lots of very dedicated teachers who work in private > schools who aren't in it for the money. Why would they be goofy and why > would they be "un-american"?
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